Friday, March 16, 2012

Clearing Up Some Misconceptions about John Wayne


There are a plethora of stories and articles floating around today (and have been for decades) that John Wayne was a phony. That he was rabidly anti-communist, notoriously racist, a draft dodger, homophobic and hated horses. Quite frankly, I’m tired of it. Yes, I am a huge fan of John Wayne, and admittedly biased about him in some respects. But unlike his detractors, I am not so biased as to overlook reality. Was he perfect? No, but who is? And, the claims so often spewed forth by his detractors (such as those mentioned above) are about as untrue as they can be. Now, let’s take a look at the facts.

John Wayne was rabidly anti-communist. The fact is, he wasn’t. He was anti-communism, but that is a far cry from being anti-communist. In other words, he didn’t like the communist ideology, but he didn’t automatically dislike someone simply because they were a communist. Back in the 1950’s, during what has since become known as the “McCarthy era” witch hunts, a promising young actor by the name of Larry Parks admitted under oath that he had been a member of the communist party. Parks also stated that he had renounced the communist party, but would not provide names of anyone he knew that were still members. In spite of his renouncement, calls to blacklist him rang forth throughout the conservative members of the Screen Actors Guild. Wayne, who at the time president of the Motion Picture Alliance for the Preservation of American Ideals, refused to join in. He took the stance that Larry Parks had renounced the communist party, and showed great courage in doing so. Wayne said that Parks’ refusal to name names took great courage, and he refused to call for Parks’ blacklisting. Wayne took a lot of flack for that, but he never backed down from his stand.

Marguerite Roberts who wrote the screenplay for True Grit was a blacklisted writer and a communist. When this was revealed to Wayne, there were fears that he would want her removed from the project. Those fears proved to be ungrounded. Wayne said she did a fine job, and he supported her work on True Grit. No, John Wayne was not a rabid anti-communist.

John Wayne was racist. This belief comes primarily from a statement he made during a 1971 interview with Playboy magazine when he said, “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” But people tend to take this statement out of context, as he also said, “we can't all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of blacks.” Which is true, and it is not a racist statement. He believed in gradual integration, and I think an honest look at just about any black ghetto will support that view. He believed that blacks had an honest right to feel resentment toward and to dissent regarding their treatment. Hardly the view of a racist. He worked with many blacks, including Scatman Crothers and Roscoe Lee Brown, and got along quite well with them. One should also take into account that not only did he have black friends (like Sammy Davis Jr.), but he had no problem in casting blacks in his films (such as James Watkins, who played J.C. in the film McQ, and Sidney Poitier in one of his first films and cast by Wayne in a lead role), and was married to three Latin American women during his life. He did not dislike blacks for the sake of being black, and he tended to accept people based on their character rather than the color of their skin. So no, he wasn’t racist. He may have been racially insensitive from a politically correct standpoint, but he was far from racist.

It has also been surmised that John Wayne hated Native Americans. This misconception is generally based on a statement that he made during the same 1971 Playboy interview mentioned above. In that interview, Wayne said, “I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.” A simple look at history will show that this very same sentiment was acted out by Native Americans themselves. Native American Indian tribes were fighting with one another long before the “white man” showed up, and it was not all that uncommon for one tribe to completely uproot another tribe. Take the Dakota Sioux, for instance. They were not always in South Dakota. Originally they came from North Central Minnesota. And what happened to the tribes they encountered in the path of their migration south? Well, they didn’t just pack up and move away, at least not completely. Many of them were slaughtered by the Sioux, and in some cases entire villages were wiped out. In other words, John Wayne was absolutely right in what he said. It was a matter of survival, just as it was practiced by North American Indian tribes for generations before “the White Man” began settling America. If he said anything wrong in that statement, it was that “the Indians were selfishly trying to keep [the land] for themselves,” because North American Indians had no concept of land ownership, and therefore really had no land to steal.


John Wayne was homophobic. This one actually surprises me a bit, as there are no quotes from either John Wayne or anyone else that support this. In fact, Rock Hudson, a known homosexual, co-starred with John Wayne in the film, The Undefeated. During the filming, Wayne knew of Hudson’s homosexuality, and not only did he still make the film, but he was friends with Hudson and did not feel that he should be ostracized for his homosexuality.

John Wayne was a draft dodger. To set the record straight, John Wayne did not “dodge the draft.” In fact, he was classified as “3-A” and he received a deferment due to his age and his dependents. Granted, he could have appealed the deferment, but he did not. And it is also important to note that he did not file for a deferment. It was Herbert Yates, the president of Republic Studios who filed (repeatedly) for a deferment, and he did not do so on behalf of Wayne. He did so in order to keep Wayne making pictures at Republic. I would also like to point out that it is incorrect to say, as some do, that Wayne “stayed behind and didn’t do his part.” The fact is, that Wayne received orders from the War Department to provide intelligence reports during his USO tours and visits to the troops near the front lines in the South Pacific, and he received two citations for his work during World War Two, one from the “War Agencies of the Government of the United States” for “Outstanding Service in World War II”; and the other from Major General William “Wild Bill” Donovan for “Honorably Serving the United States of America as a Member of The Office of Strategic Services” in 1945 (The Office of Strategic Services, or OSS, was the forerunner of the CIA). So, no, John Wayne was not a “draft dodger,” and yes, he did serve his country during World War Two.

John Wayne hated horses. After starring in more than 80 westerns, and owning a ranch, and riding a horse to school as a child, this is another hard to believe myth, and yet there are those who readily believe it. In fact, it has actually made it into print, albeit into a rather biased book titled “John Wayne’s America, the Politics of Celebrity” by Garry Wills, and reiterated by Wills during a PBS Newshour interview with him by David Gergen. Here’s a snippet:

DAVID GERGEN: And yet in the end the idea of John Wayne was really a myth. You say that he hated horses, a man--
GARRY WILLS: Hated horses. Never rode except on the set, and never rode when he didn’t have to.

Now, while it is true that Wayne once told an interviewer that he did not especially enjoy riding horses, and generally didn’t unless it was necessary, this does not mean he hated horses. Nor did it mean that he was a poor horseman as some have suggested. In fact, the reverse is true and there is ample evidence to support this. Not only can John Wayne be seen riding horses in his 80+ western films, but he can also be seen riding horses in home movies taken at his Arizona ranch. John Wayne’s son Patrick once said, ““He was a terrific horseman. In Big Jake (1971) there is a scene at the beginning when the characters are introduced. Chris Mitchum rides a motorcycle into the scene and Dad is on a horse and it rears up and throws him. Later in film there is a chase and as they are passing by a bar a guy gets thrown out into street. Dad is riding a horse and the horse gets spooked and goes sideways. Dad stayed with it and stayed in the saddle, even though it was going sideways for ten feet, just an amazing display of horsemanship. It was all caught on film, but it had to be cut because it was inconsistent with the opening scene. A guy who could ride like that could never be thrown like he was thrown in the opening scene.”

In addition, although John Wayne was not a “real” cowboy (as has been pointed out by many), he was not a complete novice when it came to cowboy work. In an interview with Wayne, he once related, “I was hired on as an assistant for a George O’Brien western (I was actually hired as an actor but it was understood I would act as an Assistant – a scrounger, today they would call them a location manager). One of my jobs was to get 400 head of cattle into Blue Canyon which was 150 miles from any paved road. A preacher who had a little church on the Hopi reservation agreed to help me gather them. In gathering those cattle, we horsebacked into Monument Valley. … It was during the making of this picture, in which I was assistant as well as riding in the posse, that I personally rode through Monument Valley.” The film was 1930’s Lone Star Ranger. [Tim Lilley, The Big Trail, Vol VI, No 1, June 1989] 

What this proves is, that not only did John Wayne visit Monument Valley long before John Ford had (thus debunking the myths that Harry Goulding told Ford about the valley, or that Ford had “discovered” it), but that he was herding cattle by horseback, and if that isn’t cowboyin’ then I don’t know what is.

So he may not have been a “real” cowboy as far as his chosen career path, but he was a real cowboy in every sense of the word.

So where do these myths about John Wayne come from? Well, primarily from two different sources. The first is that they are perpetuated by ignorant people who have never let the truth of any matter come in the way of perpetuating a damaging hateful lie.

50 comments:

  1. Great article, thanks.
    Shame about the last two sentences.

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    1. You're right Geoff, and I appreciate your comment. I have removed the last two sentences.

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    2. Why did you remove the last two sentences? Please I really want to know what they were.

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    3. I love John Wayne his movies ,have all his westerns and them some can point out ,where Dog continues to lose color in several scenes in Big Jake still a favorite, or his eye patch shifts to the wrong eye in true Grit watching it now ,yet my favorites usually have same actors different characters still love them ,ty for clearing it up

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    4. Thank you for stating so eruditely what I have believed about a good, honest, caring man. Not perfect as you said, who is? John Wayne tried diligently to live a decent life. He was much more intelligent and well read than most people know. He learned to love reading as a boy and never stopped. He tried to look at people and issues individually and made his own, informed, judgments. Love and miss him still. Thank you for your thoughtful article!

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    5. John Wayne was very much a true hard Knox authentic western real horseman and cowboy. Thank you for your brilliant research and keeping this man's integrity intact. I had admired Mr. John Wayne ever since a little boy in mid 1960s. I grew up getting to know him through his movies and interviews and to me John Wayne will always be my all time hero... REST IN PEACE MR. WAYNE and God bless you and your family...

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    6. I was wondering about John Wayne hating horses since I read his widow's book about it, she wrote that he had said about horses, "...I hate the dang things." I noticed long ago that he always rode the same horse, & I'm glad that it was actually his own horse! I know he has a lot of health issues, & maybe riding horses was uncomfortable or painful for him! I remain a devoted fan, God broke the mold when he made John Wayne, & the world lost a treasure when God called him home!

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    7. You forgot Woody Strode, who Johjn Ford greatly admired.
      During the filming of The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence
      Wayne shoved or pushed Strode who was about to return
      the offence but Ford intervened with the words "Dont hurt
      him Woody, we need him". Lucky for Wayne

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  2. Boy, oh boy! You sure go the long way ‘round to make his attitudes seem to be the opposite of what they are. He was, at best, uptight about a lot of things, and not a very clear thinker. But you can’t even allow that! Whoever suggested that anyone "....get down on [their] knees and turn everything over to the leadership of blacks.”? Nobody. But turning the leadership of everything to just plain “whites” needed no limitations, eh!? Why? “I believe in white supremacy until the blacks are educated to a point of responsibility. I don't believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people.” So “whites are “supreme” responsible, educated and all have good judgement. All of them. And blacks are irresponsible and deserve no positions of leadership in anything! None of them. Even the rules about their own lives! It would be impossible to have a discussion of these beliefs with this man because he is misinformed, uninformed and not much of a thinker. He obviously doesn't know what "white supremacy" means and didn’t think he needed to know. It's not about a group of white leaders, it's about the right of EVERY "white" to be in a position of supremacy over EVERY black! It was about the right of every white to make the laws that punished blacks in ways that were not applicable to whites. Didn't he know about very well educated blacks who couldn't get jobs in universities and public school systems just because they were black? He sounds like a someone with very little education, who was paid enough money that he didn't have to worry about saying ignorant things. Never liked him in the movies. Like him even less now that he is---thanks be to God---dead!

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    1. I find your comments to be typical of someone enmeshed in unreasonable hatred. You accuse me of making his attitudes seem to be not what they are, and then you do exactly what you are accusing me of doing. I am basing my opinion of him on what he has said in several interviews whereas you are basing yours on a single interview, and even then only on parts of that interview. Based on your statements, I assume that you are not familiar with the time period in which his statements were made. If you were, you would not have made the statements you did, unless you simply do not know what you are talking about.

      During that time period there were groups of militant blacks doing everything they could to keep themselves in the media limelight including rioting, looting, murdering, arson, and other illegal acts all while demanding they be treated special. Not equal as Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. taught, but special. Special rights, special privileges, etc. and all while promoting racial hatred, bigotry, discrimination and violence. Malcom X, Eldridge Cleaver, Huey Newton, The Black Panthers, The Nation of Islam, Stokely Carmichael, Black Nationalists, The Black Liberation Front, Malik El-Shabazz, the Organization of Afro-American Unity, SCLC, SNCC, CORE, the Black Power movement, the Watts Riots, and more.

      So taken in the context of the time, when those blacks who were most prominent in the minds of most Americans were promoting the destruction of America and those whites who were in positions of political power were by and large trying to preserve not only America, but also trying to promote racial harmony and equality in America, yeah, I'd have to agree with what he said. Not promoting “white supremacy” in the manner which you describe, nor in a discriminatory or racist way. And if you read his comments not only in the context of everything he said in that interview (which was no doubt edited by the left leaning editors at Playboy), but also in the context of other interviews he gave, it is clear to see that he was not a racist, he did believe in equality of the races, and he did believe in having blacks in positions of political authority providing they were capable and would promote and strengthen rather than destroy America.

      You say he sounds like a man with very little education and yet he was an honor student throughout his academic life and prior to losing his athletic scholarship at the University of Southern California he was a law student. He was well versed in history, political science, and the accompanying philosophies. He was extremely well read and completely capable of holding his own in conversations and debates with others more learned than him. Judging by your sentence structure, spelling and syntax as displayed in your written comments here, I would say he was and still is light years ahead of you in both education and intelligence thus making your criticisms of him akin to a cognitively deficient individual criticizing Einstein regarding his theory of relativity.

      Additionally, that anyone, regardless of political or theological philosophy, would celebrate the death of anyone must certainly be indicative of sociopathic tendencies or worse. It is obvious that your vociferous hatred of John Wayne places you firmly in the classification of bigot. That you chose a John Wayne fan site to express your hatred confirms it.

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    2. @a567and8 I must whole heartedly concur (if you even know what that means you uneducated bigot) with The New Frontier on this. Conversely, he said everything eloquently while you spewed nothing but hatred from your mouth. Honestly I am going to say you are the bigoted one and the sad part is you will never realize it. Hatred has consumed you which is too bad. I have never met a person who celebrated the death of another. Hell has a special place for you. Unless of course you make amends with the Almighty God.

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    3. Well, I can think of a quite a few deaths in history that are worth celebrating... but not John Wayne's.

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    4. Oh, so I should listen to you? The opinion of person who declares that anyone who disagrees with you should die. To wish or rejoice in the death of another is hardly humanitarian.

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  3. I am a hardcore fan of John Wayne. Was he perfect in every way? Of course not. Was he remarkable, talented, interesting, creative, hardworking, loving, passionate, sincere, thoughtful, dedicated, and devoted? Yes. Thanks for writing this and posting it.

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  5. He was an actor, luckily used well by a genius like John Ford. Who cares

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  6. I wish you'd posted more sources for the "facts" you put forth in this article, because I sure can't find any, particularly about Wayne's "service to his country." Wayne sat out WWII, drinking hard, screwing around on his wife, destroying property, and generally behaving like the frat boy he was while brave men (including Jimmy Stewart, Henry Fonda, and Clark Gable) fought and died defending his amusements. As a person, he was a supreme egotist, a mean drunk, an unfaithful husband, and a lousy actor. Nice opinion piece, though.

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    1. Yet was given an honorary life membership by the VFW, hardly an organization that condones draft dodgers.

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  7. I am a fan of John Wayne.I choose to form my opinion of him from how his family and friends felt about the man.To insult this man and attack his patriotism is just plain regodamdiculous!

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  8. I grew up in a racist home. Both of my parents were raised to hate minorities of all kinds. I never understood it even from a very young age I could feel myself physically cringe whenever I experienced someone hating someone else because they were different. I spent years as a shy person in the background I guess you could say, just watching people, trying to learn how a "normal person" should act so I could fit in. I always loved John Wayne. It was a way I could bond with my father. I had an enormous amount of respect for him. Even though he was a racist, he was an unbelievable "human being" in the respects that he'd do anything for anyone . . . anyone. Even the very people he was brought up to look down on. I realized it wasn't a hate issue as much as it was an inequality issue in the respect with blacks, for instance, were viewed almost as Farm animals. You didn't hate them but you wouldn't have one in your house. I figured that out after having many conversations and hearing conversations my Grandparents and other relatives from the south had. Still ridiculous, I could see where, in a very isolated and uneducated upbringing, this prejudice could be perpetuated. "You're a product of your environment" etc.. sort of thing. Just like inner-city individuals growing up in isolated neighborhoods with their prejudice against "The Man" etc.. So as I read the defensive remarks of a loyal J.Wayne fan defending one of my childhood idols and the remarks of @567and8 expressing hatred toward a person because he has the same misguided influence to a certain extent as J.W. who maybe partly in his arrogance of celebrity but also out of his misunderstanding of other cultures due to his place and time in an under developed civil rights era, I really see both sides. I don't think J.W. was ever a racist. I think he spoke out of ignorance due to his upbringing and the time in which he was raised..Just like @567...who expects minority culture to be accepted, understood and tolerated hasn't learned to try to understand and tolerate the culture in which J.W. lived in. I have friends from many different cultures and the one thing a lot of us have in common is there will always be times when we might say things because we are a little ignorant of each other's cultures and upbringings but the thing that makes it okay is that we all understand and accept that about each other so we don't take offense to it. It's kind of a running joke now and this realization has made us all closer, better friends. My father would be a great role model for J.W. and @567.. because he came from an upbringing that involved family members that really were card carrying members of the KKK to, in his later life, a point where he had MANY friends of different ethnicities that he truly loved. We will never truly be equal until WE ALL try to accept each other as just people and stop trying to persecute each other for every single tiny flaw or misunderstanding and instead treat each other because of the "Content of our character".

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  9. John Wayne was an actor. And that is it. Enjoy his films and move on. Why the need to judge him to such an extent? If we found out he was a secret slave owning, wife murdering, child molester, then I would not watch his films. But the fact that a famous actor was a drunk and didn't serve? Not great qualities, but there will always be some of those, so move on. Debating on him being racist based on one article from a different era is nuts! (I read it the same way @fairandequal read it) But even reading it in a negative way, what is the difference? I'm Jewish but I don't avoid Ford vehicles because Henry was a serious anti-Semite because it would have no meaning. Henry is long gone. And who is perfect? Seems like he was pretty upstanding in most of the areas, arguably not some much some others. If he was running for political office today, this info would be worth discussing, but he is just an actor.

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    1. I still wouldn't drink Coors beer, with its origin from the John Birch Society.

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  11. Jita'ame suluma,
    I've removed your comment due to the extremist ype language, the foul language (you should buy a dictionary and increase your vocabulary), and the overall hateful tone of your comment. You clearly have an agenda, and you clearly have some personal issues you need to work through. Once are able to conduct yourself civilly, feel free to express your thoughts. I wish you the best.

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  12. Fan of the Duke, always have been. Everyone has an opinion and everyone thinks they are usually right, but look at the big picture, here we are present day and those in the past led us here. To them thank you, and let's leave judgement to a higher authority, where it belongs.

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  14. There's an awful lot of parsing here.

    Wayne was probably not more anti-communist than the average conservative of that era, but to argue that he was 'anti-communism' is ignoring the fact that he supported the blacklist. He may have defended individuals he liked, who had renounced communism which wasn't taking any kind of risk for a big star like him with the public image he had. I don't think the star and producer of The Green Berets would be offended at being called anti-communist. Call me crazy.

    His remarks to Playboy were deeply offensive and ignorant, and he probably just should have kept his mouth shut. The repeated statements that "He had black friends" almost don't deserve rebuttal. I mean, Hitler had a Jewish friend--a doctor who had treated his mother, and who he gave orders was not to be bothered while most other German Jews were being carted off to concentration camps. It is not a viable defense from racism to say "he had black friends." And can I ask--how often did any of those friends dine at his home? That he worked with black actors doesn't prove much of anything--most of the black actors he worked with played stereotypical subordinate roles. I don't think he was more racist than the average white American of his background, but to say, in the early 1970's, that he believed in white supremacy--at the very least, that indicates a complete lack of understanding of the civil rights movement. It also indicates he felt threatened by black people just asking for equal treatment. To him, that was black supremacy. Again, nothing unusual, but nothing admirable either. In his personal life, I find nothing terribly admirable or heroic about Wayne, much as I admire his work in films. He was deeply self-centered, and the same can be said for most film stars.

    This is why he didn't go out of his way to fight in WWII, as his friend Jimmy Stewart (a true hero) did. After years of slogging away in the pits of poverty row studios, making budget adventure films, he'd finally hit it big. He was scared if he took time off for the war, by the time he got back, the public would have forgotten him.

    Any awards he got from the OSS were purely honorary in nature. There is no evidence he provided any useful intelligence on USO tours. How the hell could he have? We already had trained intelligence men everywhere he went. Geez, why didn't they get Bob Hope?

    As to horses, I don't think he cared much either way. To argue that owning them means liking them is odd. They were part of his public image, of course he kept them. They also were a symbol of prosperity and class, which he always coveted. Compared to most western stars, he was not much of a horseman. But he knew how to look good sitting on one. Looking good was Wayne's primary achievement. He was, in the end, primarily about image, and as Gary Wills pointed out, that's a significant achievement in itself. But that is his achievement. He was an icon. Still is. But he was not a hero. Nor, for all his education, was he a terribly insightful person about anything other than self-presentation.

    We can look to him for cues as to how America saw itself then, but not much else.

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    1. The oddest thing has happened to me in my older years. In my 20's when college students were going berserk against conservatives, I hated John Wayne. As I kept getting older I liked him more and more. Now, I actually go out of my way to see John Wayne westerns. It comes from experience and understanding that people are the product of their environment. He was just stuck in old ways, not willing to change with the society around him. He was unusual in the Hollywood culture with his right wing ways, but most people gave him the benefit of the doubt. To me he was just an old coot with backward ways. No one to hate. In fact, I like him.

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  15. I am always amazed when I read comments such as yours Chris. In spite of evidence to the contrary, people continue to say things such as you have stated here. I have studied the man -- not just his films, but his off screen life as well -- for over three decades. I have read and listened to not only John Wayne, but many others who knew him. Some White, some Black, some Asian, some Hispanic. Both Male and Female. Co-workers and friends from all of these categories, and to a person they refute every point you have made in your comment. But I won't debate or argue with you. Why would I when you clearly know him better than any of those people.

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  16. You won't debate or argue with me because you don't really have any facts to contradict what I say. Of course I never knew him. Neither did you. He's been dead well over three decades know.
    I, like you, know him through the films he starred in and produced, many of which I continue to admire and enjoy, in spite of my not considering him any kind of hero. I'm not calling for any kind of ban. He's part of our history, and we should understand that he was raised in a different era.

    I'm not surprised people who worked with him--and made money through him--spoke well of him. Hollywood's a tight little community, a small town, where people don't generally share their differences with outsiders. And again, liking someone of another race doesn't prove you're not racist. That's not what the word means. Nobody ever accused him of being in the KKK, that I know of.

    Name one non-white person he was close friends with--not just on set, but in his private life. Not somebody who worked with him, or was subordinate to him in some way. An equal. He lived long enough to see black men like Sidney Poitier, Jim Brown, and Harry Belafonte become major stars. Did he hobnob with them? They were all pretty darn macho--and outspoken on civil rights. And they did westerns.

    And name one instance where he expressed sadness over the death of one of his many horses. Or maybe he would have considered that 'pussified', a word he apparently used.

    You don't really understand someone you admire if you can't see their weaknesses, their blind spots. And all the more if it's a film star, because their business is illusion, not reality. Sure, he did things besides act as a young man--but not very long. He spent most of his life in films. He made his first movie in his late teens!

    It is a documented fact that he could have served in WWII. Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and many other major stars did. Reagan at least joined up, even if he never got close to a battlefield. Wayne's wife said he was guiltstricken over it the rest of his life, and compensated by being a super patriot. He became the quintissential WWII movie star--after WWII was over. Most of his films during the war weren't about it. His reasons for not serving were career-based. That's a fact. I agree 'draft dodger' is going too far (though a man his age certainly might have been drafted if he didn't have strong political connections), but for somebody as militant as he later was to sit in judgment of others' patriotism when his own fell so far short in the clutch is just not something I can respect.

    (Incidentally, do you care to respond to accusations he was homophobic, or do you not consider that a failing?)

    I don't think he was an awful person. He was, in some of his pictures, a pretty awful actor, but I stil find much to like in his best performances. I don't reject him. I see the whole man, warts and all. Try it sometime.

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  17. You just have to throw down the gauntlet, don't you Chris? Couldn't resist the urge, could you?

    And again you are wrong. Not only do I have facts that contradict what you say; but I did not simply know Wayne through his films (as you admit you do). As I noted, I have studied not only his films, but also his life off screen as well. Not only films, but also interviews he and others have given, books letters and other documents and records. My research into his life and career has gone far beyond his film, television, stage, and radio performances.

    So what you are saying is, those who worked with him, made money through him, or liked him give biased opinions of him and therefore cannot be trusted to offer any legitimate insight into the man. I assume you then believe the only ones who can offer any legitimate insight into him would be those who dislike, can't stand, or downright hate him. I find it interesting how you determine which persons insights to trust.

    According to your guidelines, we include Sidney Poitier since he worked with, worked for, and made money through John Wayne. Did he hobnob with Jim Brown? I couldn't say. Did he hobnob with Harry Belefonte? Are you referring to the same Harry Belafonte that called Colin Powell a house slave in a derisive manner? I doubt Wayne would have had anything to do with Belafonte. Not because of his race, but because of his politics and his racism. I notice you did not include Sammy Davis Jr., who also made westerns. He never worked with or for Wayne, and never made any money through him. And yet they genuinely liked one another and were good friends. It's too bad you exclude any who worked with, for, etc, John Wayne; because I would also include Roscoe Lee Browne, a staunch liberal, who stated he was leery of working with Wayne because of all the things he had heard about him (things similar to what you have been saying). And yet, during the filming of The Cowboys he found that he actually like Wayne, and the two became great friends throughout the remainder of Wayne's life.

    And name one instance where he expressed complete and total apathy over the death of one of his horses. Can you? No. You can't. While it is true that he considered horses to be tools of his trade – whether as a western actor, or as a cattleman; he did have a deep appreciation for them. He recognized that horses, like people, have different personalities. And just as people do not care to be around other people with conflictory personalities, Wayne did not care to work with horses that possessed a conflictory personality. When he worked with a horse he got along well with, then he preferred to work with them. And with some of his on screen horses he formed quite a bond. Horses such as Banner and Dollor. He formed such a strong bond with Dollor, that he signed a contract with Dollor's owner that made Wayne the only person who would would be the only person who would be allowed to work with the horse. So yes, he did have a genuine affection for some horses.

    I do see and recognize Wayne's weaknesses, and they were many. But they did not include the ones you claim he had. And no, he did not make his first movie in his late teens. He was in his twenties when he made his first film appearance.

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    1. Sorry, forgot about you entirely. It's been kind of a busy time.

      You say you see and recognize his weaknesses, but you never mention any. You obviously don't have a problem totally trashing other actors you don't like (and never met), so you win your hypocrite badge.

      You argue from an absence of evidence. No, there's no evidence Wayne ever was much bothered by the death of any of his horses, because he didn't much care about them. They were property. He neither hated nor loved them. They were props. Like Dollor. It's all about making him look good, and horses were part of that. Might as well say if Wayne made a deal only he could use a particular car in a film, that means he loved the car.

      Your arguments aren't weak, so much as nonexistent.

      I made no claims, other than the obvious. He didn't interact with black people as equals and he openly said he didn't consider them to be equals. He didn't serve his country in war. He did attack people for expressing political views different from his own, to the point of saying it was acceptable to ban them from working in his industry for nothing more than a difference of opinion. Which is as UnAmerican as it gets. But hardly unique to him. None of it was unique to him. He was an ordinary man, of his background, in many respects. What made him exceptional was his ability to project an image people liked. Pretty much nothing else.

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  18. Your comments regarding his lack of military service in WWII demonstrate an ignorance of the facts. You overlook the deferments that Herb Yates applied for and received on Wayne's behalf, that Wayne was not fully aware of. Could he have just quit making films and walked out of his contract, and taken the loss of all he had worked for (as Yates made it clear he would sue Wayne if he walked), and enlisted as a private? Of course he could have. Would he have been accepted? Maybe, but maybe not considering the military realized he was a greater asset to them making Hollywood propaganda films. And the “political connections” you claim he had simply did not exist in the early 40's. Could he have been drafted? Not at first since he was 4-F, but certainly later in the last year or two of the war when they raised the draft age. Would he have been? I doubt it.

    Jimmy Stewart did not enlist did not join up after the Pearl Harbor bombing, but joined up more than a year before, so it would incorrect to imply that he joined up because of the Japanese attack. And I find it curious that you want to condemn Wayne for not serving in World War II, yet you don't seem to mind that “he-man” stars such as Marlon Brando, Gary Cooper, Errol Flynn, Cary Grant, Peter Lawford, Gregory Peck, George Raft, and Richard Widmark also never served, even though they too made military themed films.

    And your comment about Wayne sitting in “judgment of other's patriotism when his own fell so far short” is ridiculous. You see, we have this thing in America called the First Amendment, which entitles people to vocally sit in judgment of whomever they choose. And I should also point out that a great many military people fully supported John Wayne during WWII, Korea, and Vietnam, and very much appreciated his taking the time to spend time with them in country; as well as share his “judgment” of the lack of patriotism of others.

    Homophobic? What a stupid word that is. John Wayne was not afraid of homosexuals (which is what the word actually means). Nor did he hate them (which is the politically correct redefinition of the word is). If you think he hated them or was afraid of them, then please explain to me why he genuinely liked men like Laurence Harvey and Rock Hudson. He was well aware they were gay and yet he hired them, worked with them, drank with them, socialized with them, and liked them. Homophobic? I don't think you know what you're talking about.

    And finally, no, you do not see the whole man. Not even close. You see what you want to see, based on his films and the nonsense his detractors consistently promote about him. If you want to make a reasoned fact based critique of the man, try doing some research first as I have. If you want to criticize his “warts and all,” fine. But make sure you are criticizing actual warts, not those that have been falsely applied by people with an agenda.

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    1. See, I entirely forgot about this silly argument until this morning, when I happened to read about Clark Gable's WWII service. Did you know he flew combat missions? He could have easily just made movies for the Air Force. He insisted on putting himself in danger. Clark Gable. And I can't say I can recall a single political statement he ever made after the war. Well, see, he didn't need to. He had nothing to compensate for.

      So many major film stars insisted on serving--even though they were mainly too old to be drafted, and had all the connections needed to make sure they wouldn't be. To say Wayne would have served if a friend hadn't done something behind his back--geez. Are you trying to make him look weak?

      Yes, we all have the right to say stupid things in public. And then--according to the First Amendment--others get to critique the stupid things we say. That's how it works. It's not one-way. You don't get to say something and everybody has to sit there quietly and nod their heads like idiots.

      It is a fact that John Wayne's wife of that period said that after the war, he overcompensated for his guilt about not serving by becoming a superpatriot. It was insecurity, more than anything else. It was him, on some level, recognizing the gap between the man he was on screen and the man he was in reality. A man who put his career above everything, including his country.

      What makes you so sure Wayne even knew Rock Hudson was gay? Most people didn't then. Would Wayne have ever worked with an openly gay actor? You're talking about two very big stars there, so obviously it was good for his career to work with them. And that, as always, trumped everything else.

      I see the whole man--warts and all. I go on watching his movies (the good ones, most of them are terrible), and learning things from them.

      You just want him to be your perfect hero, but guess what? He was not perfect--well, who is?--and he sure as hell was no hero. He PLAYED heroes.

      I don't for one moment deny that he had his good points, and if I was talking with one of the people who want to make him a symbol of everything that's wrong with America, I'd point them out. But no need with you, since you refuse to see anything but his virtues.

      He could have served his country. He could have been a hero for real. He was afraid of losing his stardom (he probably would have enhanced it). He was a self-centered person, even by the standards of movie stars.

      I admire his ability to look good on screen. I even admire his acting. I like his Rooster better than Jeff Bridges. So you can call me a hater, but the fact is, I'm just seeing the whole man. And you're seeing nothing but the image that man projected, with the help of great writers, directors, and cinematographers (not to mention make-up artists). Oh, and horses. Let's not forget the horses. Though he probably forgot all of them.

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    2. (I really do like the original True Grit better, and I'm glad he got his Oscar and all, but let's be honest--which I know you hate--and say he won it because people were just so impressed that after all these years, he finally proved he could play a character other than 'John Wayne.' More fool they--'John Wayne' was a fictional character from start to finish. A brilliant creation. But you can't give someone an Oscar for a persona. No matter how fake it is.)

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  19. And who did I "trash"? No one. in fact, the only one doing any trashing here is you. And not content to trash John Wayne (in spite of your few patronizing comments about how you liked this or that about him), you go on to attack me personally. Not that is wasn't unexpected. Ad hominems seem to be standard operating procedure for haters. But you know what they say about ad hominems, they are the last resort of a lazy mind with an empty arsenal. Have a nice day Chris. I'm done with you.

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  20. Chris I would like to know your opinion off Jane Fonda

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  21. My goodness, but your hero worship has undermined your ability to think critically. Wayne could have served in the war, but chose not to. He fought to avoid duty instead. Nice try.

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  22. is no shame not serving in the military, much less wanting to go to war!is not for everyone to serve. should be saluted if you do, but certainly not shamed if you dont. if we had a draft today prolly most of you would try anything to get out of it.!great site New Frontier!glad you have the patience to have dialog with those who have not done their studies.

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  23. Michael Knowles in the end of this event about Christopher Columbus also defends John Wayne https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Y-Ag-ocB-Q

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  24. Wow Chris
    I went to school with some of his grandchildren. I went to their house. You can say I have 1st hand experience. For as long as I can remember horses were considered tools, like a screwdriver. He had many horses that he "loved" thru his lifetime. He didn't just throw them away when finished with them.
    How could you spend 5 mins with Mr. Hudson and not know what he liked?
    As far as the military, he tried to go to a military college. He had a scholarship to a college and lost it because of an accident. This and being married with children will excuse you from being drafted or enlisting. Men who saw action could not make movies about wars because of the stress of reliving it everyday for months.
    His "communism" or lack of is fully documented by the FBI.
    I never had a problem hanging out with his family because of my skin color. There have been other people I used to talk to that you could just tell by the way they was raised where they got their beliefs about people of a different color. I never had a feeling like that spending time with the family.
    Some people just feel the need to share their opinions and share them strongly without any real basis to go on.
    Add to this what you will.

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  25. Do you know if John Wayne refused to be in commercials? I remember my dad getting upset when they put him in a commercial, after his death, saying he would be rolling in his grave...

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  26. John Wayne appeared in several commercials over the years. He is perhaps best known for his television commercials for Great Western Savings and Datril. He also appeared in numerous print ads and radio commercials. Thanks for asking, and I hope this helps.

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  27. I find the example from 'Big Jake' regarding his horsemanship a particularly odd one - it implies Wayne was thrown from his horse when its clearly a stunt double - also there is no horse chase during the bar fight scene, nor could there be as Wayne is in the bar.

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  28. War isnt for everybody my grandpa said but one of his favorite acters was the duke ....not bad coming from a b-17 belly gunner shot down over berlin while being transported by the checkerboards (he called them) ( all black escort squadrain) and a pow...the duke was a cowboy according to my grandpa a cowboy aswell

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  29. I remember a comment I heard Bruce Dern make regarding his relationship with Wayne during the making of The Cowboys. In the film “Long Hair” (Dern) kills “Mr. Andersen” (Wayne). Wayne remarked something to the effect that “America was gonna hate him (Dern)”. Dern replied, “ yeah? Well at Berkeley i’m a godamn hero!” Which tickled them both no end apparently. Dern was a young “modern” man at the time. I think we can draw some conclusions from the regard young people who knew him personally in the 60s and 70s had for him and are still around to say.

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  30. Takes a long time to read all this lol

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  31. I don't know how I found this blog. John Wayne was an overrated actor who wasn't even a good actor. He was racist. The statement he made says it all. Anyway he's long gone.

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